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# 💭 Title 💬 👥 🙋 Last editor 🕒 (UTC)
1 template:aum symbol 3 2 Eien20 2022-08-30 17:31
2 Which file has got the most category assignment 3 2 De728631 2022-08-24 10:56
3 Transcluding from Wikibooks 3 2 PeterEasthope 2022-08-24 17:43
4 Statistics shipyard cranes 1 1 Smiley.toerist 2022-08-24 10:08
5 Using {{u}} instead of a normal link 11 3 Jmabel 2022-08-26 14:09
6 CC-BY-NC 4.0 3 3 Jeff G. 2022-08-26 11:39
7 Question about deletion proccess 4 4 Jmabel 2022-08-26 14:15
8 Global ban discussion for Velimir Ivanovic/Kolega2357 1 1 Vermont 2022-08-27 02:41
9 automatic OCR 1 1 Shantanuo 2022-08-28 08:11
10 What is the difference between a Lido and an 'outdoor swimming pool'? 7 7 Andy Dingley 2022-08-31 00:11
11 The 2022 Board of Trustees election Community Voting is about to Close 1 1 Zuz (WMF) 2022-08-30 12:20
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August 18[edit]

template:aum symbol[edit]

they suddenly made {{Aum symbol}}. the template was attached file buildings and flags related w:Aum Shinrikyo. but I don"t the files that is illegal in Japanese law. I think the template is not need and harmful. --eien20 (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I believe the template is a useful warning to anyone who wants to re-use the files. Pinging the template's creator @Mr. Tadokoro. -M.nelson (talk) 23:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I don't find those images is illegal in Japanese law. I hear status other states law. I think at least remove "Japan". --eien20 (talk) 17:31, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 25[edit]

Using {{U}} instead of a normal link[edit]

An anonymous (IP) editor has been making numerous recent edits to my photos, mostly related to structured data, e.g. this edit. Most of these I'm fine with, but I am not at all sure I like the change they are making in {{Self}}, changing from "author=[[User:Jmabel|Joe Mabel]]" to "author={{U|1=Jmabel|2=Joe Mabel}}". Does anyone know: is this now preferred, or is an anonymous person making unnecessary (or possibly even countrproductive) changes? - Jmabel ! talk 01:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • And this is just weird. Why mark the year the photo was taken as "preferred" when there is no competing claim? - Jmabel ! talk 04:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, I've been seeing a spate of random anons going around and changing various properties to Preferred, and I cannot figure out why they would be doing that. Weird trolling? Someone's OCD on overdrive? A plot to take over the world? Huntster (t @ c) 21:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The change does not make a visible change. But the template can be edited sometime in the future with the result, that it is an visible change. And that would be a change to your chosen way to get attributed, if a file is reused. Therefore I think, a edit like thus must only be done by the author (unless you would have done this edit yourself). But: You are an admin and to me (and everyone ussing the view admin gadget) your Attribution shows as "Joe Mabel(A)". If it was me, I would not want the "(A)" in the attribution string (if the file is reused in a book, the "(A)" would be always there, even when it is no longer there at commons). I would tweak the author string, so that it will not show up in the attribution. C.Suthorn (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @C.Suthorn: Thank you. I definitely do not want the "(A)" in the attribution. I guess I need to track these down and revert them. What an annoyance: because it is an IP (and I don't think it's a constant IP) I have no one to get hold of to tell them to stop doing this! - Jmabel ! talk 21:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    AFAIK the (A) was also there before - some URL tweaking will be needed to get rid of it - and for all you uploads - then VFC should do the trick... C.Suthorn (talk) 22:38, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • For what it's worth, I left a message at User talk:2001:9E8:2C6D:CA00:FD01:BC3A:5852:9AE2, though I doubt the relevant person will see it. - Jmabel ! talk 22:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • This is continuing to happen from a variety of IP addresses. And I notice they are also removing the "author" value from {{Information}}. This concerns me quite a bit. - Jmabel ! talk 03:52, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I have no idea how to stop this. I guess I'll bring this to the admin noticeboard. - Jmabel ! talk 03:58, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      With en edit filter, that checks for edits to the author field of file descriptions by someone else than the uploader? C.Suthorn (talk) 09:32, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • @C.Suthorn: I'm an admin, but I have absolutely no experience writing abuse filters. Can you suggest how I might best move forward on this? - Jmabel ! talk 14:09, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CC-BY-NC 4.0[edit]

I found in the inernet an e-book which was published under CC-BY-NC 4.0 licence. Can I upload it to Commons? —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 15:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The short answer: No! -- Herbert Ortner (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The slightly longer answer: we don't accept "non-commercial" licenses.
An even longer answer: a multi-licensed file can offer a "non-commercial" license, but it still needs to have at least one license that allows commercial use. - Jmabel ! talk 15:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, and welcome. I'm sorry, but the license restrictions -nc- (noncommercial) and -nd- (no derivatives) are not usable by themselves for Wikimedia Commons. For the reasons, please see Commons:Licensing/Justifications.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 11:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 26[edit]

Question about deletion proccess[edit]

I was looking through some articles recently, and I found a bunch of photos have been nominated for deletion, but even though everyone voted keep, the photos were deleted anyway. Please explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nar 2608 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nar 2608 (talk) 00:26, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging @Ellin Beltz: , who closed the deletion request. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:17, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can only guess, but the people who were commenting there were asking for a proof that these files were a copyright violation. That's not how it works. 1) it is not a vote. 2) the burden of proof lies on the uploader or whoever wants to keep something. There needs to be a proof (or at least good evidence) that the files are not a copyright violation. Statements like "There are not any copyvio" without further arguments are pointless. Apparently, the handling admin agreed with the nominator's rationale ("unclear copyright status"). If there's reasonable doubt, that's enough to delete them per COM:PCP, COM:L, etc.
That being said, if you think that the decision was made in error (and have convincing arguments), there's always COM:UNDEL. El Grafo (talk) 09:09, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, at least the bulk of these had a specific claim of a CC license on third-party copyrighted photos, which calls for some sort of evidence. Asserting "Not copyvio" doesn't give the slightest reason to believe the license claim is legitimate. - Jmabel ! talk 14:15, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 27[edit]

Global ban discussion for Velimir Ivanovic/Kolega2357[edit]

Hello all,

In line with the global ban policy, local project communities where the user was active should be informed of the discussion in a prominent public place.

This ban request has been live for about a month now, but proper notification was not made. The ban request will continue for at least a few more weeks, and input is welcome on the RfC page linked in this section heading.

Thank you for your time, Vermont (talk) 02:41, 27 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 28[edit]

automatic OCR[edit]

I am learning how to import books in source using this link...

after 6:35 minutes the instructor clicks on page number 312 and the OCR'ed text is already visible on the screen. In my case, I need to click on "OCR" button on the toolbar. I just want to know if the OCR works automatically or it needs user's action.

Shantanuo (talk) 08:11, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 29[edit]

View it! Tool
Upcoming View it! tool discussion - for those interested in Wikimedia Commons & structured data - August 31, 2022

A project has been funded by the Wikimedia Foundation as part of the Structured Data Across Wikimedia Work to create a tool called View it! The tool aims to increase the discoverability of images on Commons, give readers and editors access to more images, and encourage contributors to utilize Commons & structured data. Please visit the Meta page if you are interested in trying out the prototype. We are having a demo and feedback session on August 31st at 16:00 UTC, please join us if you wish!

We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Dominic, Kevin, & Jamie

August 30[edit]

What is the difference between a Lido and an 'outdoor swimming pool'?[edit]

Swimmingpool Ranomafana I.jpg

was recategorised as a lido. I think that the difference is that the water is not treated (clorified) or heated, but refreshed with big natural water volumes.Smiley.toerist (talk) 08:37, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And how to classify this one?
Lido is the British term AFAIK, while outdoor swimming pool might be the preferred term in American English. --Rosenzweig τ 08:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Outdoor swimming pool" (or, typically, just "swimming pool," because "outdoor" is the default) is definitely the term in American English. I doubt the average American has ever heard one called a "lido" unless they spent time in the UK. - Jmabel ! talk 14:53, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel I am among them, although I now know the meaning behind the name of the Lido Deck on The Love Boat.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 16:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
IMO "swimming pool" is the better choice in any case, because it is unambiguous. This pecular British use of "lido," on the other hand, is sure to confuse European and other non-Anglophone users, because the word lido is borrowed from Italian, and in Italian it always refers to a beach, never to an artificial pool like the one shown in the photo. Choliamb (talk) 17:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As a Brit I've never used or heard of the word (other than in the news) but I guess you'd perhaps hear it more if you lived near one maybe, I would describe it as an outdoor swimming pool. –Davey2010Talk 20:18, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • A lido is something with some level of facilities constructed built in the 1930s, when the term was fashionable. The intention and implication was that there was more to a lido than simply swimming, there was also a place to lounge or sunbathe nearby, perhaps with a cafe. This was not always achieved! Grange-over-Sands Lido would be a typical example.
Older and long established outdoor swimming places (Hampstead Ponds, Parson's Pleasure, Clevedon Marine Lake, or Henleaze Swimming Club and Clifton Victoria Baths in Bristol), with varying facilities, weren't called 'lidos' simply because they were too old. Some lidos had almost no facilities other than the water, but this is fairly rare – the Victorian Brit was fond of wild swimming, but not in the '30s.
An important group are those in South Wales, often built by under-employed or unemployed miners on a shoestring budget, and yet they were built (in some numbers). Pontypridd Lido is probably the best known of the recent survivors. Merthyr Tydfil Lido [1][2] is one of the least prepossessing, yet it still called itself a Lido! Andy Dingley (talk) 00:11, 31 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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